stewie griffin
3:55 Fri Nov 4
Re: Martin Samuelson
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Must say, I think that 'tough league' stuff about the Championship is a load of bollocks.
Over the last 5 years, the clubs who've earned automatic promotion have almost exclusively been the best footballing sides in the division. The shit kickers and teams packed with 'experience' have squeaked through the play offs sometimes, or done fuck all
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Sven Roeder
3:52 Fri Nov 4
Re: Martin Samuelson
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Trying 'maturing' or 'growing up' if you don't like toughening up.
I think having to live away from home, dealing with different people and playing in meaningful games is the point of a loan.
Id hope we would be keeping close tabs on players we have sent away and personally I'd send them on 3 month loans at a time and review them regularly. If that's possible
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JustAFatKevinDavies
3:48 Fri Nov 4
Re: Martin Samuelson
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I reckon I've seen you make that point about loaning players out about 90-100 times now Alex. Not that I disagree entirely, just thinking you must be bored of making it?
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Alex V
3:40 Fri Nov 4
Re: Martin Samuelson
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I don't dispute that some good may come out of a loan - I think there might be a case that in some circumstances it's the least worst option. But I think the solution to that is to improve the alternatives, rather than to settle for a system that relies almost entirely on received wisdom and seems to produce generally poor results.
It's also hard (if not impossible) to argue that all the players who didn't toughen up on loan before playing for the club missed out - would Brooking or Moore have been better players if only they'd toughened up on loan first? Would Giggs or Gerrard or Scholes in the modern era? I think it's likely that this notion of 'toughing up' is a bit of a myth - that for a modern athlete it really doesn't mean very much.
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stewie griffin
3:22 Fri Nov 4
Re: Martin Samuelson
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"If I was in charge of his future, I'd want him to get the best coaching. I just doubt whether that's available at Peterborough or Blackburn. I wouldn't want to cede decision-making about his direction to Owen Coyle or Graham Westley. "
People will disagree because of who wrote it, but can't say there's a single set of circumstances where I'd want Owen COYLE having a year long input into one of our players' development,.
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Russ of the BML
3:11 Fri Nov 4
Re: Martin Samuelson
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Alex V 2:31 Fri Nov 4
So what are we supposed to do then? Send him on loan to Real Madrid, Barca, Man City or Bayern?? Just so he gets the best coaching. Beggars can't be choosers. If you have a young player who is not yet ready for your first team but you need him to get game time and experience you send him to clubs that are prepared to take him. If you was in charge of him he'd be sitting indoors wrapped up in cotton wool while you wait for one of Europe's elite clubs to come knocking. Lot of fucking good that will do him.
And you don't think playing at Blackburn will toughen him up?? Sorry, you are talking bollocks mate. It will be invaluable experience for him. The physicality and aggressive nature of lower league football will toughen him up and prepare him for what is to come. It will get him in the correct frame of mind to be a top level pro footballer.
The temptation to pick up bad habits may be there but if he is mentored correctly and West Ham make sure there rep's stay in touch with the lad then that can be avoided.
Trouble is with you as usual Alex is you are just contrary for the sake of it, talk bollocks and live in fucking cloud cuckoo land.
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Alex V
2:31 Fri Nov 4
Re: Martin Samuelson
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>>> Going out on loan at Peterborough and Blackburn will toughen him up and set him on the right path.
I disagree. I think these sort of loans are more likely to have him learn bad habits, or indeed lose focus and risk his talent being squandered.
If I was in charge of his future, I'd want him to get the best coaching. I just doubt whether that's available at Peterborough or Blackburn. I wouldn't want to cede decision-making about his direction to Owen Coyle or Graham Westley. I'd be making sure the best coaching was available at our own club.
And I'd make sure Samuelsen knew that our focus was on making him the best player he can be at this club, not just shoving him away for months on end at other random clubs where the success and direction of his development is basically the roll of a dice.
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JustAFatKevinDavies
11:43 Fri Nov 4
Re: Martin Samuelson
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harsh that on your fellow countryman slh
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southlondonhammer
11:41 Fri Nov 4
Re: Martin Samuelson
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Plenty of time for him to develop still
Kid has unbelievable natural ability, I would like to see him back with us next year getting time off the bench, certainly would be a better option coming off the bench then that little cunt Tore!
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Russ of the BML
11:38 Fri Nov 4
Re: Martin Samuelson
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I think he will be a good top level player. Going out on loan at Peterborough and Blackburn will toughen him up and set him on the right path. But you have to remember he is still young and a skilful, creative player. He's not a tough nut. Playing in the lower leagues is hard...Very hard. And players like Samuelson can be stifled by the sheer physicality and aggression that is a big part of the game in the lower leagues. He isn't a big lad and he's not physical so he's probably finding it hard to deal with the blood and thunder of it all. And he's probably quite frustrating for the managers down there as they can see his ability but his end product is lacking a bit.
Each and every game he plays is a lesson for him. In the lower leagues you've got to get your first touch right or you are hit hard. You've got to play the easy ball. Don't lose possession trying fancy stuff. Got to be direct and aggressive. Each game he will be improving these elements. Then hopefully when or if he is called back and plays at he top level where you get more time and space he can do the business.
It's a hard place to play football. I don't seen any reason why anybody should be writing him off or slagging him off. Give the kid a break and see what happens.
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gph
11:35 Fri Nov 4
Re: Martin Samuelson
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I remember Joe Cole beating his man, going back and trying to beat him again.
I found that quite annoying, so I can see where the Blackburn manager's coming from
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Eggbert Nobacon
11:32 Fri Nov 4
Re: Martin Samuelson
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"I thought there was lots of nice bits about his play," the Rovers boss told Radio Rovers after the game.
"You have to understand that he is a young lad and I've said to him that the nice stuff is fantastic but once you've beaten that player in the box then the cross has got to come in as he has a tendency to over-do it.
"He is young, he will learn, he is going to be an exciting player there is no doubt about that.
"I thought it was important that we gave him his opportunity and I think he did some nice things in the game. It is just getting that cutting edge because when you are a forward I always feel that ultimately for all your good play you must have goals, you must have assists, and there must be an end product."
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Eggbert Nobacon
11:31 Fri Nov 4
Re: Martin Samuelson
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could be something in the show pony accusation
The Blackburn manager made a point of saying it was no good him beating a man if it doesn't lead to a cross coming in etc after his last appearance for them
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Side of Ham
11:27 Fri Nov 4
Re: Martin Samuelson
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Alex V follows West Ham Utopia FC.....
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Eggbert Nobacon
11:12 Fri Nov 4
Re: Martin Samuelson
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he got dropped and left on the bench by a league one team too remember
he's clearly very talented but there has to be a reason beyond his age for not being able to get in League one and championship sides
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Eerie Descent
11:09 Fri Nov 4
Re: Martin Samuelson
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Will be a top player eventually.
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Sven Roeder
11:08 Fri Nov 4
Re: Martin Samuelson
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Maybe because he NINETEEN
Blackburn loan hasn't worked out for now. We should be discussing with them as to whether he is likely to get games.
If not we should be agreeing to finish it and send him to a League One team when that can happen (January?).
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Eggbert Nobacon
10:55 Fri Nov 4
Re: MARTIN SAMEULSON
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Keep dreaming 8:38 Thu Nov 3
Re: MARTIN SAMEULSON
He is a special talent and could be one a great player for us. But not with rotting on the bench a Ewood.
Cuntish loandeal.
Although you do have to wonder why if he's such a talent he couldn't keep his place in the Peerborough side, or earn a place in the Balckburn one
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Chigwell
5:10 Fri Nov 4
Re: Martin Samuelson
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Sign that right back!
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Darby_
1:16 Fri Nov 4
Re: Martin Samuelson
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Alex thinks that if we play a youngster in the first team they magically turn into amazing players, whereas if they go on loan they magically turn to shit.
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tnb
12:52 Fri Nov 4
Re: Martin Samuelson
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Saw him against Newcastle for the development squad last year, and while he scored a penalty late on I felt throughout the whole game he was floating around and not prepared to put the hard work on because he thought he was too good for his teammates and the occasion. Reminded me of the Berbatov thing at Fulham with the rumoured 'pass me the ball' t shirt.
Disappointed if I wasn't wrong.
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